tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23944311.post5897524850852458734..comments2023-06-13T07:49:34.826-05:00Comments on A Long Obedience...: To be, or not to be...emergentAshleehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12880887420803334395noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23944311.post-77629200309373004562009-02-24T11:47:00.000-06:002009-02-24T11:47:00.000-06:00As far as the earlier comment on high-church litur...As far as the earlier comment on high-church liturgy and a flat ecclesiology (hierarchically) in the Emergent community and this being a bit of a contradiction is a fair criticism (if I understood it properly). I would say that the radical view that (we?) emergents hold of church structure and our love of high church liturgy don't seem inherently to contradict at least in my experience. Postmodern Christians many of whom have grown up in Evangelical settings feel a need to identify themselves within the greater "narrative" of Crhistianity. In this way liturgy not only places one in the narrative, but it helps to teach and uphold the deep theological meaning that Tony has held up as a dispatch of many emergent Christians.<BR/><BR/>Also, I need to read Phyllis' book because also as that same comment alluded, doesn't Phyllis conclude that emergent christianity and postmodern christianity are signalling the next "great emergence" (like nicaea, the schism, and the reformation before it?)? I don't know.<BR/><BR/>Ashlee we should talk about Tony because although I have tried there is nothing yet that I have come across that I have disagreed with (in spirit). As any postmodern christian would attest application is situationally relative so I did not always agree with his applications, but thats probably because I am not a part of Solomon's porch so whether it works for me doesn't especially matter.<BR/><BR/>Lets meet to talk about emergent christianity.John B.https://www.blogger.com/profile/04134891390190214393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23944311.post-91030522582387100522009-02-21T09:22:00.000-06:002009-02-21T09:22:00.000-06:00Ashlee- It was good to meet you, and I wish you we...Ashlee- It was good to meet you, and I wish you well on the envelopes that you'll be receiving in the mail in coming weeks! Actually, as I told Steve later, I was feeling pretty ill during the Q&A, and I think my post-op recovery got the better of me. That might be why my answers were a bit rambling and long. Anyway, blessings to you!<BR/>Tonytonyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12407408868034269264noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23944311.post-88163438718898863352009-02-20T21:14:00.000-06:002009-02-20T21:14:00.000-06:00thanks for your thoughts ashlee. i was unfortunat...thanks for your thoughts ashlee. i was unfortunately unable to attend the q & a on wednesday because of a sick wife and kid at home. <BR/><BR/>on another subject, i'd like to chat some more about some details with the discipleship program. give me an email when you get a chance at toddy80@gmail.com<BR/><BR/>thanks - todd just<BR/>ps - tell kyle to behave ;)T Justhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00886608602395562582noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23944311.post-62455975951355105532009-02-20T18:49:00.000-06:002009-02-20T18:49:00.000-06:00Jeff, you bring up a great comment about the tensi...Jeff, you bring up a great comment about the tension between the Emergents and denominations. I think that Phyllis Tickle has figured out (or is figuring out)the tension...I'm just starting to read her book, The Great Emergence.Ashleehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12880887420803334395noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23944311.post-38715840685217270342009-02-20T18:46:00.000-06:002009-02-20T18:46:00.000-06:00I've been thinking that I may not have been en...I've been thinking that I may not have been entirely fair in representing some of Tony's thoughts. It's so hard to criticize and remain fair to someone who isn't writing to defend himself. I want to make a couple of qualifications:<BR/><BR/>1.) He also said that there were aspects of our (UM) theology that he appreciated. I just don't remember if he specifically named any.<BR/><BR/>2.) I hope I wasn't too harsh in my statement that he wasn't very conversational. It is true: he was specifically brought in to give us his perspective on the Emergent movement, which he did. I was simply disappointed that there was not much opportuntity to "dialogue" with him during the hour and a half devoted to Q&A. I think I had expected that the crowd would be able to offer a bit more, and as it were, the questioners had to jump in quick to ask a question. <BR/><BR/>I do appreciate the way that he challenged us and we at Southwestern are continuing to talk.Ashleehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12880887420803334395noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23944311.post-45133052490579809512009-02-20T12:59:00.000-06:002009-02-20T12:59:00.000-06:00This was very interesting, Ashlee. I saw TJ's blog...This was very interesting, Ashlee. I saw TJ's blog for the first time today in doing some research on 'original sin.' Anyway, the point of a low view of ordination is intriguing, though it seems to be a popular view among 'emergent' folks. However, there also appears to be a trend toward the more structured liturgical ecclesial bodies (RC, EO, Anglican) among 'postmoderns' and 'emergents,' particularly those who have a love-hate relationship with evangelical Protestantism. A low tolerance of high-church liturgy/structure and appeal to said bodies would have a hard time co-existing, I'd think. Or perhaps these are different branches of 'emergent' (repeat of the 1500's?).Jeffrey Rudy:https://www.blogger.com/profile/14872312367701635329noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23944311.post-69442675955667488612009-02-20T12:29:00.000-06:002009-02-20T12:29:00.000-06:00I'd like to hear your "non-Tony" comments on BiM W...I'd like to hear your "non-Tony" comments on BiM Week too!Ben Wheelerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00485904513802173499noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23944311.post-25906197010890624762009-02-19T21:03:00.000-06:002009-02-19T21:03:00.000-06:00Ashlee - Thanks for sharing your thoughts. I think...Ashlee - Thanks for sharing your thoughts. I think the time has definitely come for people to do more than just congratulate Emergent for getting younger people's attention... there are some valid criticisms that need to be made, and I agree that sometimes the idea that this is a "conversation" seems to be slipping away, or at least it is only a conversation if you agree on the "fundamentals" of the emerging church. I hope that people like Tony Jones will listen to people like you and that a real conversation will continue. I think both people in Emergent and people like us would benefit from it.<BR/><BR/>Blessings,<BR/><BR/>KevinAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com